# I was just wondering..

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whilst reading about Scott Neydli's DNF at Kona, losing his nutrition & deciding to stop & fetch within the first Km or so would end his race, so didn't etc.

I wondered if the difference between 1st & say 50th is the same relative to the winners time across the distances (obviously flat or hilly courses would skew the maths, but in general). Does the question make sense? I mean if an ironman winner crosses the line in 9hours, will 50th cross say, in a time that is 5% longer & an olympic winner crossing at 1.50 would 50th still be my 'made up' 5% slower?

I lack the mathematical ability to get beyond wondering & I have no idea why I was wondering..except that how much would you lose going back for your nutrition versus your ability to make up that time & the proportion of your total time it would take, obviously the longer the race the smaller significance of delays.

I wondered if the difference between 1st & say 50th is the same relative to the winners time across the distances (obviously flat or hilly courses would skew the maths, but in general). Does the question make sense? I mean if an ironman winner crosses the line in 9hours, will 50th cross say, in a time that is 5% longer & an olympic winner crossing at 1.50 would 50th still be my 'made up' 5% slower?

I lack the mathematical ability to get beyond wondering & I have no idea why I was wondering..except that how much would you lose going back for your nutrition versus your ability to make up that time & the proportion of your total time it would take, obviously the longer the race the smaller significance of delays.

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1,6551,002850so when my half marathon time was 1:53, what time did the winner post

As to Britspins question, I'll have a look, but probably can't compare 1st with 50th as it would be slewed by the number competing. But maybe have a look at 10/25/50% down the leader board and see if there %'age times on the winner corelate.

Something for the office tomorrow I think

1,408Oh perhaps this is taking it too far......

850On a very rough averaging basis:

to come 5% down the board, you need to add 11% to the winners time

for 10% down, add 15%

for 25% down, add 23%

for 50% down, add 34%

to come last, add 116%

Don't know if it's of any use, but I said I'd do it, so it's done.

1,655Fab work by the way..mathematical ability always humbles me....more of a word man, can you tell?

850I'll get a few more results, and crunch some more

1,6551,6558501,1448505% = 1st + 17%

10% = 1st + 22%

25% = 1st + 30%

50% = 1st + 40%

Last = 1st + 83%

1,655987For example I found last season that on the bike I got about a third of the way down the field, but on the swim and run I was halfway down. You should look at T1 and T2 too.

You can then adjust your training accordingly.

1,113History tells us that when pro's lose their nutrition things start to go bad to worse.In 2002, the then holder of the HIMUK,Richard Allan lost his nutrition whilst out on the bike when it fell off after hitting a pothole,watching the video as he exitted T2,he was screaming for gels at the feed station on exit,looking around,despite the fact that all the feed stations are laid out identically,he should have been able to go straight to them not flounder around.Time lost,energy depleted,game over.Pro's I expect plan races in detail,but still seem to be human at times and forget items(socks)or generally believe that to forge ahead is the best plan.

655doesn;t everyone?

or is it actually just Britspin and me? (not in the same loo. at the same time. to avoid any doubt).

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